Can anyone tell where the Native Americans came from with their vocabulary.

[JOHNNY RAMIREZ]

Spirit of Intent
Can anyone tell where the Native Americans came from with their vocabulary.

To examine any language one has to use at least three languages to make a valid comparison. I was informed that the Algonquian language has Arabic words in it from a member of True West, that intrigued me so I thought that this would be a good time to explore some of the language in general, and include Native American language as well. Now I have to say, I didn’t know that the Arabic words were also found in the Algonquian language, if so, then I learned something new as well.

Mind you, I am not in the profession as a linguist, and will not try and profess that I am, so I check with one that is, and had that person read over my research and writing, and they didn’t see any problems with my presentation. With that said, here we go with my findings.

To do any form of Linguistics comparison correctly, one needs to use a vocabulary selection that has not been hand selected or hasn’t gone through changes over time, or even has some sort of vague resemblance when doing the comparison. Spelling can change over time, and definitions do change as society and culture change over time. For example the word ‘gay’ has a much different meaning today, say, as to when your parents used the word when they were youngsters.

Now if four or five words look similar, or you notice a pattern in the way they different from each other, the language may probably related. Let’s use some Germanic, Semitic, and Algonquian, and place two others on the list to show the great difference as well as similarities in all languages.


To get purity in a language from all the languages in this Linguist test we will use, one that doesn’t change over time, let use numbers. Numbers are as pure as one can get with language, as so, we will use one through five, as it is a good place to start.


Spanish uno dos tres cuatro cinco

German eins zwei dre fier funf

Dutch een twee dree feer feef

English one two three four five

Hebrew echad shtayim shalosh arba chamesh

Arabic wachid ithnan thalatha arba’a chamsa

Maltese weehet tbayn tleta erba hamsa

Ojibwe bezhig nizh nswee niwin nanan

Algonkin pejig nij niswi new nanan

Cree peyak niso nisto newo niyanan

Athabascan da1aa naki ta’a’gi dii’I ashdla’i
(Apache)

As you can see, Spanish isn’t related to anyone from the European continent, but German, Dutch and English are related to one another. Similar to one another is the Hebrew and Arabic language as well as the Maltese, yet different enough to make them distant cousins, where as the Germanic language are closer in their relationship. So too, is the Ojibwe language related to the Algonkin and Cree, but not even close is the Apache language to those from the same continent.

This was a small set up to check the linguistics of a small group of languages, but it is a formula for a larger scale to do ones research as to where languages came from, and who is related to whom.

Then on the other hand, if I did a comparison that many do, by say on the other hand, take an English word, say ‘seven’ and a Hebrew world ‘sheva,’ like those who wish to convince you, that English was related to Hebrew. Or if I had shown you only the Hebrew word, ‘shalosh,’ and the Arabic word, ‘thalatha,’ you might not have noticed they were more related than you new.

My wife who teaches English, Linguistics, Communications, and Grammar has always told her college students, ‘Never believe anyone who tries to prove linguistic relationship based on one or two hand-pick words that look or sound similar.

Now for those who are teachers of Linguistics, please do contact me and show me where I may have gone wrong on my work and presentation. As I said at the very beginning of this presentation, Linguistics is not my profession and I may have made an error, and one error can make a difference, then again maybe not.

[Ginny Morgan]

I thought Spanish, Italian and Portuguese were from the same root...Latin...??

[Ginny Morgan]

All very interesting...

[JOHNNY RAMIREZ]

Ginny,

I am sorry, but I miss something? I know that those are what is refer to as a Romanic language or Latin. But I didn't do a compairson with the 3, I did with, Spanish, Dutch, German, English, Hebrew Arabic, Maltese Ojibwe, Algonkin, Cree and Apache.

If I had done it with Spanish, Italian, Portuguese and don't for get French and Romanian as well, the they would have shown what made them alike.

Thanks,

Johnny

[JOHNNY RAMIREZ]

Reb,

I need to look into it, as that is new to me, except when you used it in passing on my last 'Spirit of Intent'

Thanks, and good comments.

Johnny

[Ginny Morgan]

Hi Ya'll, you know I have to research ...this is what I found..
Pre columbian trans-oceanic contact describes alleged interactions between the indigenous peoples of the Americas and peoples of other continents – Africa, Asia, Europe, or Oceania – before the arrival of Christopher Columbus in 1492. Many such contacts have been proposed at various times, based on historical accounts, archaeological finds, and cultural comparisons.
However, claims of such contacts are controversial and hotly debated. Only one instance of European contact – the Norse settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland, Canada c. A.D. 1000 – is regarded by scholars as demonstrated.

There is a variety of evidence that shows, or purports to show, contacts between the New and Old Worlds after the initial peopling of the New World. Mainstream scholarship is dubious about claims of pre-Columbian transoceanic voyaging, since apart from the Norse and perhaps the Polynesians, evidence to date has been circumstantial or nonexistent.Norse, or Viking, journeys to North America are supported by both historical and archaeological evidence.

Possible trans-oceanic contact

Polynesians
Between 300 and 1200 CE, Polynesians in canoes spread throughout the Polynesian Triangle going as far as Easter Island, New Zealand and Hawaii, and perhaps on to the Americas. The sweet potato, which is native to the Americas, was widespread in Polynesia when Europeans first reached the Pacific. Sweet potato has been radiocarbon-dated in the Cook Islands to 1000 CE, and current thinking is that it was brought to central Polynesia circa 700 CE and spread across Polynesia from there. It has been suggested that it was brought by Polynesians who had traveled to South America and back, or that South Americans brought it to the Pacific. It has been argued that it is unlikely that the plant could successfully float across the ocean by natural means.

Fringe theories
several scenarios of pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact have been proposed without gaining acceptance in mainstream scholarship.

Medieval

15th century Europe
Some have conjectured that Columbus was able to persuade the Catholic Monarchs of Castile and Aragon to support his planned voyage only because they were aware of some recent earlier voyage across the Atlantic. Some suggest that Columbus himself visited Canada or Greenland before 1492, because according to Bartolomé de las Casas he wrote he had sailed 100 leagues past an island he called Thule in 1477. Whether he actually did this and what island he visited, if any, is uncertain.

Muslim
Several medieval Arabic sources can be taken to suggest that explorers from the Al-Andalus (Islamic Iberia, comprising modern Spain and Portugal) may have travelled on expeditions across the Atlantic Ocean to the Americas between the 9th and 14th centuries. The earliest of these may have been the navigator Khashkhash Ibn Saeed Ibn Aswad, from Córdoba, who is claimed to have sailed from Delba (Palos) in 889, crossed the Atlantic, and returned with fabulous treasures. Another navigator, Ibn Farrukh, from Granada, is alleged to have sailed across the Atlantic in February 999, landed in the Canary islands where he visited the Guanche King Guanariga, continued westward where he saw and named two islands, Capraria and Pluitana, and arrived back in the Al-Andalus in May 999.

Irish and Welsh legend
The legend of Saint Brendan, an Irish monk, involves a fantastical journey into the Atlantic ocean in search of Paradise in the 6th century. Since the discovery of the New World, various authors have tried to link the Brendan myth with an early discovery of America. The voyage was recreated in recent times by Tim Severin.

Barry Fell claims that Ogham writing has been found carved into stones in the Virginias, but grave doubts about these claims have been raised and none of these finds have ever been confirmed by credible linguists, epigraphers, or archaeologists.

According to British legend, Madoc was a prince from Wales who explored the Americas as early as 1170. While most scholars consider this legend to be untrue, it was used as justification for British claims to the Americas, based on the notion of a Briton arriving before other European nationalities. A memorial tablet erected at Fort Morgan in Mobile Bay, Alabama reads: "In memory of Prince Madog, a Welsh explorer, who landed on the shores of Mobile Bay in 1170 and left behind, with the Indians, the Welsh language."

Mediterranean Antiquity

Evidence of contacts with the civilizations of Classical Antiquity—chiefly the Roman Empire, but sometimes also with Greece, Carthage, and other Phoenician cities, and other cultures of the age—have been based on isolated alleged archaeological finds in American sites that originated in the Old World. The disputed Bat Creek Inscription is one example.

Africans
Proposed claims for an African presence in Mesoamerica rest on attributes of the Olmec culture, the presence of an African plant species in the Americas, interpretations of certain Arabic sources, and European accounts of early sightings of black people in the New World.

Chinese

A group of Chinese Buddhist missionaries led by Hui Shen before to 500 C.E. claimed to have visited a location called Fusang. Although Chinese mapmakers placed this on the Asian coast, more recently some have argued, by selecting elements which are similar to some elements of the California coast, that this was America.

Theories on trans-oceanic travel out of the New World
Túpac Inca Yupanqui, the tenth Inca emperor, is said to have led an expedition lasting between nine months to a year into the Pacific Ocean around 1480, which discovered two islands.It has been suggested that the islands he visited are the Galapagos, or possibly Polynesian islands. The story says that he brought back gold, brass, and the skin and jaw of a horse, none of which would have been found on islands in the south Pacific.

[JOHNNY RAMIREZ]

Ginny,

Very good! I am truely impressive my friend. A lot of research as well as formulating the material and good presentation for delivery in True West blog.

I enjoyed your work, presentation, as well as your delivey of the subject. I like it a lot!

Johnny

[Ginny Morgan]

Oh, Thank you my friend...I am good at searching the web for info...LOL..And it was sooo interesting...I learned a lot myself..There was a lot more but I kind of condensed it..

[Ginny Morgan]

My husband was telling me that of the Vikings that came here some never went back but kind of dissapeared...thus the fact of many Eastern indians that are quite fair....The misconception of the dark skinned, black haired dark, eyed indian being just that. Many Eastern Indians were quite light.He also said that the Mandan had weapons very similar to Viking weapons...

[Robert Ray]

Here is some interesting reading on the subject from the Smithsonian.

http://www.si.edu/encyclopedia_si/nmnh/origin.htm

[JOHNNY RAMIREZ]

Robert Ray,

Thanks, I'll look it up and see what you saw.

Johnny