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Hi Tim: I found several important LCW tintypes within the collection gathered by George W. Morgan, or someone within his family. I found his album in a museum and was allowed to copy from it. Then I found five more in an auction nearby. Within that album and the auction I found John Middleton (2) Frank McNab (5) Ira Leonard, Charlie Bowdre, Robt Widenmann, Henry Brown and Richard Brewer. It is not, therefore; as if I found one here and there. Several have Morgan's name and address embossed on the frame. So does my pic of the younger Kid that I found in Oregon along with Sallie Chisum's other pictures.
I now have pictures of all of the major Regulators except for Fred Waite, and all of Sallie Chisum's family except for P.M. I also have Lily Casey and Matilda Davis, Bob Olinger, J.J. Dolan, Barney Mason, Juan Patron, Alex McSween, the Coe cousins's wives, Eliza Jane Hester, and John Jones.
The collection is, therefore; almost complete, and it includes some people who have no known images of them including: Middleton, French, McNab, Billy Wilson and Dirty Dave Rudabaugh. All of the images are period taken at about the time of the LCW.
Tim: It is nice of you to match my pic of Brewer, but he is not the Kid.
steve, thanks again for the comments, and i'm really quite excited for your adventure, and hope i can help with the i.d.'s: i didn't mean to get on a back-and-forth with you arguing over brewer, i noticed commenters said things 'like doesn't look like him' which is non-descript -- so when possible, i use a computer technique which allows analysis not likely to be performed by the human eye. in summary, the facial dimensions in what i called the 'mcCarty 010' photo didn't match the known photo of brewer, but matches the famous btk tintype nicely as well as aragon #1. attached is the report if you are interested. at that i'll leave it alone unless you have a question or comment.
steve, you now are the 'curator' of probably one of the worlds rarest and most historically relevant photo groups known. i can't easily test the 2 you call billy. my instinct is that the younger is probably him, and i didn't think the older one was him, but now i'm not so sure. the guy had so many faces. but the alignment of the eyes and nose APPEAR by my eye to be of the same general pattern. tough call.
and, i find your history on your collective discovery of the photos plausible and accountable, now that you told me what you did above. what you found in oregon sounds like providence; in wisconsin, persistence and smart supporting research. bravo.
btk took MANY photographs. (btw i should let you know i'm a brushyite)
long story short, i like MANY of your assumptions on the identities of these photos. as with some of the other commenters, its a mixed bag. we can agree here and disagree there. one thing we can probably agree on is you have summoned up an amazing piece of americana.
there are SO MANY issues at play here. i've used your photos to identify LCW people in other collections. which is why i want to tell you what happened with the photos you call mcNab. in the next message.
God bless,
tim
welcome friend i dig ysour photo
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