"Juan Patron is buried beneath the vestibule floor of Our Lady of Refuge Church in Puerto de Luna.
He wasn't shot in the back by Dolan; it was Riley. You can see at a glance that there is nowayinhell those two pictures match. See "Juan…"
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Steve McCarty left a comment for Janet White
"I got'em photos and some are indeed George W. Morgan tintypes and CDV's. Several of the tintypes are of the BTK period, but I do not recognize any of the people depicted. That doesn't mean that they are not important…"
Steve McCarty commented on Polly Gulley's photo
Billy the Kid
"While the kid had a nub of a chin he also had a pretty strong jaw. This is a picture of Billy and Deluvina and Paulita look like other pictures of both young women. BTW: there are several pics of Paulita wherein she…"
Steve McCarty left a comment for Janet White
"I just posted a long response and tounched the wrong button and "poof" it was gone! Yes, let's talk. Morgan took pictures of probably all of the major players in the LCW on both sides. I can assist you in identifying…"
Steve McCarty replied to Ringo's discussion My next trip, Kansas,
"Margaret A: On your trip to Kansas I suggest that you take in Fort Hays. Some original buildings still stand. Also Fort Dodge."
Steve McCarty replied to Denise's discussion Colt 45 Regulator LS1
"More trivia: Georgie Patton used to sit on Mosby's lap and listen to his stories of the CW. The tales must have influenced George.
My great uncle, Forrest Long, fought with his friend, Harry Truman in WWI and also, just…"
Steve McCarty replied to Denise's discussion Colt 45 Regulator LS1
"If we could go back in time and join the army, or even command an army, how differently would we behave than they did? We'd dig in. A soldier fighting from a ditch is safer than one standing up in plain sight. He could rest…"
Steve McCarty replied to Denise's discussion Colt 45 Regulator LS1
"I no longer own a replica Navy. I have owned an original since 1972 and I used to shoot it often. I replaced the original nipples with replacements that I bought through Dixie Arms. After I shot it, I'd replace the original…"
Steve McCarty replied to Denise's discussion Colt 45 Regulator LS1
"I often wonder how long it took the public to make the switch from Navy Colt to Colt Peace Maker. I think Colt stopped making the Navy in 1872, but they must have been around for decades after that. Also, while we usually load our…"
Steve McCarty replied to Scott's discussion Lever Action Rifle Talk
"I have never been a fan of fast draw, unless you need to do it, of course. I've always been concerned that I'd shoot myself in the leg or foot. I do like shooting from the hip, tho and practice it all of the time.
My…"
Steve McCarty replied to Mike Wood's discussion What is it worth to you to restore an Old West Firearm? in the group Old West Firearms Collectors
"Boy, that rear sight came out fine! Make sure you don't lose that screw at the top of the slide. It keeps the rear sight piece from slipping off of the slide. I see them missing from rear sight ladders all of the…"
Steve McCarty replied to Scott's discussion Lever Action Rifle Talk
"I consider myself a much better pistol shot than either rifle or shotgun. I was taught to shoot a pistol by owning one of the first Ruger Bearcats. Cost was $36. It was extremely accurate. I used to shoot pebbles with it at…"
Steve McCarty replied to rudy beising's discussion wet boots
"We lost the equivilant of 17 divisions after the invasion to trench foot. Reason was Bradly figured the war would be won before Christmas so he didn't issue proper winter clothing to the troops. Results? Frozen feet and…"
Steve McCarty replied to Scott's discussion Lever Action Rifle Talk
"Ad and Pinky were great! One of their claims to fame was shooting 2" wooden blocks tossed into the air with .22 rifles. They wore out teenage boys tossing the blocks. Can't recall how many they hit, but it was into…"
Steve McCarty replied to Scott's discussion Lever Action Rifle Talk
"Smith made guns for the British in WWII that were loaded with the 200 grain 38 S&W round which was the same round the Brits loaded in their Mk IV Webley. I used to own one of those and kept it as a "car gun". …"
Steve McCarty replied to rudy beising's discussion wet boots
"Those old Army/Navy stores in the late 40's thru the 50's were great! Nothing like they are today, where all you can buy is ill fitting fatigues, but back then they had really neat stuff! I recall boxes of bayonet entrenching…"
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- retired history teacher, former Marine A-4 pilot
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- researching the history of the Old West
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Steve McCarty's Photos
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Needle Guns
I read the term "needle gun" all of the time, and finally discovered that it was an early term used for the Trapdoor Springfield Rifle. They long firing pin was called the needle.
Then I read that all rifles, fired by the use of a firing pin were also called needle guns. Someone described the rifle that Buckshot Roberts used to kill poor Richard Brewer as a needle gun. It was one of those fancy officer's model Trapdoor…
ContinuePosted on August 18, 2010 at 2:50pm — 5 Comments
The Robert family
Posted on August 14, 2010 at 2:30pm — 10 Comments
Juan and Beatrix Patron and daughter(?)
This was one of the first pictures that I found. It is very small, just over two inches high. It is also very clear and in excellent condition. No paper frame, however. I recognized the Patron's immediately, yet some question it...seems strange to…
ContinuePosted on August 14, 2010 at 10:30am — 8 Comments
The South Springs Ranch
These two pictures were obviously taken on the same day. Looks like one was taken while the cowboys were posing and the other after they rode off. The one sans cowpokes is unpublished. I found the originals of both of these pictures with the family archive here in Oregon. The family called John Chisum, either "old John", or "Uncle John". Sallie was known as "Aunt Sallie". They were the children of Walter and Inez C…
Posted on August 12, 2010 at 10:20pm — 3 Comments
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- At 9:20pm on January 2, 2012,
tim davis said… steve, thanks again for the comments, and i'm really quite excited for your adventure, and hope i can help with the i.d.'s: i didn't mean to get on a back-and-forth with you arguing over brewer, i noticed commenters said things 'like doesn't look like him' which is non-descript -- so when possible, i use a computer technique which allows analysis not likely to be performed by the human eye. in summary, the facial dimensions in what i called the 'mcCarty 010' photo didn't match the known photo of brewer, but matches the famous btk tintype nicely as well as aragon #1. attached is the report if you are interested. i'll leave it at that unless you have a question or comment.
steve, you are now the 'curator' of probably one of the world's rarest and most historically relevant photo groups known. i can't easily test the 2 you call billy. my instinct is that the younger one is probably him, and i didn't think the older one was him, but now i'm not so sure. the guy had so many faces. but the alignment of the eyes and nose APPEAR by my eye to be of the same general pattern. tough call.
and, i find your history on your collective discovery of the photos plausible and accountable, now that you told me what you did above. what you found in oregon sounds like providence; in wisconsin, persistence and smart supporting research. bravo.
billy sat for MANY photographs. (btw i should let you know i'm a brushyite)
long story short, i like MANY of your assumptions on the identities of these photos. as with some of the other commenters, its a mixed bag. we can agree here and disagree there. one thing we can probably agree on is you have summoned up an amazing piece of americana.
there are SO MANY issues at play here. i've used your photos to identify LCW people in other collections. which is why i want to tell you what happened with the photos you call mcNab. in the next message.
God bless,
- At 11:59am on January 3, 2012,
Steve McCarty said… Hi Tim: So you are a Brushy Billy fan, eh. I just had a two day meeting with W.C. Jameson. He believes the BB story to his core. I do not, but it is a free country. I don't care if folks believe it.
Nor do I buy the Aragon Billy. It just does not look like him. Finding the photographer's album has shed some light on quite a few photos before unknown. I am quite sure that I have found Frank McNab and John Middleton. I have five of McNab and two of Middleton. Huge inky black mustache, curly black head of hair. A wonderful portrait.
None of my pictures are previously known, which is strange to me, since they were probably duplicates taken in a multiple lens camera of some sort.
I've got the three men who boarded the train in Las Vegas on 27 December 1880. I think they were taken as mug shots. All sport new suits and hats. They are the Kid, Rudabaugh and Wilson. Wilson was allowed to sit outside and even wander around. The kid and Rudabaugh were locked down and show as such.
I'm stepmccarty@q.com and will be happy to share any with you.
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