Very nice to hear from you! No haven't read those books that you have talked about. I would think that these books had to do with the Dalton's? I have Harold Preece's book "The Dalton Gang" and Robert Barr Smith's book "Dalton's!" I do have many document on the Dalton brothers that I have been collecting since last November when I concentrated my research some on these guys. Love to read and collect the documents. I do have in addition to the books two DVD's. One is from the History Channel titled " The Dalton Gang Raid" in which Bob Boze Bell is in it. I love this video! It has a computerized town set up of Coffeyville in 1892 and shows exactly where the Dalton's went and what they did on the day of the raid. Love going to the Fort Smith National Historic Site and getting document on them. The lady that was knowlegable on the Dalton's doesn't seem to be there any more but they told me that they could call her if I have any questions.
Are you intereted in the Daltons? And how did you get interested in these guys?
Got your message and thought since I had time this morning to respond.
Bob Boze Bell was in a couple of DVD's that I have bought. I love him in the History Channel's "The Dalton Gang Raid". The History Channel did a wonderful job on covering the raid in Coffeyville. I do wish that they would have had time to cover the Alila train robbery on that one. Was a little confusing how they time lined it in the DVD. Like that DVD some much even like the narrator's voice that they picked for that one too!!!
I am very interested in Grat Dalton. He is my favorite of the Dalton's. Many put him down as being slow etc. but I like him. Have been reading articles from the Fresno Daily Republican that a wonderful person in the UK has sent me recently. The articles are about Grat getting arrested, what he did in jail, and when he makes his jail brake. Makes Grat become more of a person with a personality to me.
Haven't read the book that you talked about but would like to get it to add to my collection of books.
Have you been the Fort Smith Historic Site for document on the brothers??? Have you been to Coffeyville? I'm going to, someday soon, make a trip up there to Coffeyville to see their graves and the Dalton Defender's Museum.
Very interesting subject this "six man or rider" in the Dalton raid. I know that this was something that came across my mind in studing the Daltons. Some have said that there was a sixth rider that day some say five and only five but I have heard some interesting tells of who it could be.
I remember that someone said that a young girl seen the men and followed them a ways into the town. she was curious of who they were, and followed them a ways before turning off. But, she said that there was only five. Evidently there was some other folks coming out of town that they swore their was six.
I have read that some thought the sixth person to be Bill Doolin. The other was Bob's sweatheart Eugenia Moore, a.k.a Flo Quick, a.k.a Tom King as Chris Madsen knew her.
I think that I would, if there was a sixth person, put my bet on Bill Doolin. He seemed to be pretty tight with them and chances are they, the Daltons, wouldn't want to put a woman at risk of such a risky raid. Though Eugenia Moore sounded, from what I have heard of her, a real winder! She may have been there and Bob told her to say out side of town and wait for them. So that they could ride off to South American together and be rid of the states all together.
I don't know for sure if there was or not it is a very confusing part of the Dalton gang raid. But I have heard of that.
I really love to study, at this time, Grat Dalton and the Alila train robbery. I know reading some of the old newspaper clippings make him become more personable to me.
So, what is your take on that sixth rider? Have you come across some type of information that has made you come to a conclusion of wheather there was five or six at the time riding in? And who do think was there if there was six?
There is a man that I talk to a lot over in the UK lately that has done about 30 years of collecting and researching Emmett Dalton. Me an him discussed this same matter today infact.
You know he made a good point and I happen to agree with him. If there had been a sixth rider that day you would think that Emmett, when he got older and many of these people were dead and had no reputation to lose, would have mentioned them being there that day in one his books that he wrote but never did!
Well the Dalton's was much like the James/Younger gang in some ways, in my mind, as long as they stay with the trains they did well but, once they moved inward to the banks that is when everything fell apart. They may have not gotten much money off those trains but at least they didn't get killed like in the Coffeyvile raid!
I think that some author had a fictional book on the subject of the sixth rider a couple of years ago????? I never got to read that one and not that much into fictional history.
So tell me about the James in Hot Springs? I don't think that the Daltons went deep into the state of Arkansas. I think that they tended to stay more out in the Indian Territory.
thanks for the friend request and the kind words. Pleased to hear the link got you there and it was the article you were after.
Hope we get to ride the river together one day, til then, stay close to the leather.
I talked to you some time back. Have you read the book by Nancy Samuelson "The Dalton Gang Story"? There is a wealth of information on the Dalton's and the sixth ride is mentioned in the book as well. In this book it said that there was a number of ladies the day of the raid that witnessed only five riders coming into the town and that would be Bob, Grat, Emmett, Power's and Broadwell. There didn't seem to be anyone else. I know that you asked me some time back on this subject.
I was wanting to get back to you on that thread that you gave me some time back about the sixth rider.
Have you ever read the article that was from a Ed Earl Repp? This article was about a man back in 1935 that interview Emmett Dalton on this subject. He said that Emmett told him in an interview at his house that a Bill Stiles had joined up with the Daltons and that the day that they headed toward Coffeyville he was with them then. This article went on to say that Emmett made the statement that he was convensed that Bill Stiles had betrayed them and that he had rode with the James/Younger gang back in the day and had done the same thing to them in Northfield. It was stated in this article that Bill Stiles complained about a stomach ache or something of that nature. Grat had decided that he wouldn't be of any use to them with that so they left him behind.
On the other hand Bill Stiles flat out denies that he was there and that he didn't betray the Daltons. He accuses Emmmett of lying and that he was badly hurt in the Northfield raid that he would be of any use to ride long distances like that in his condition.
Have you read this article? Pretty interesting! Of course someone was lying but who?????? Emmett or Stiles?????????
There is no link to the article a wonderful friend over in the Uk sent it to me. I don't know where the article come from. She has done 30 some odd years of research on Emmett Dalton. I like to try to research Grat he is my favorite but the only eyes and ears to the world of Grat later on, seeing that he died in Coffeyville is through Emmett in his later years of life.
Article is rather interesting. I know that Nancey Samuelson stated in her book that 5 different ladies in the town of Coffeyville said that they only seen 5 riders that day. There was a young girl that said that she followed 6 riders and observed them as well as some others that said that they seen the 6. If Bill Stiles was with them that day and pulled out before hitting Coffeyville this would make it clear why some said they did see the 6 riders. If the article and Emmett was telling the truth. It may explain how Heck Thomas got 24 hours in behind them.
The reporter did the article in 1935 about 2 years before Emmett died. He said that Emmett the day that he met him was rather rude/harsh to him. Emmett had been wanting to meet with someone to get his book published and this guy had been kind of blowing him off because he was so busy. He states that Emmett handed him some notes for his book and that it seemed like it weighed about 4-5 pounds! So knowing what was in those notes that Emmett handed him. I would love to see them!
I do know that Van Buren was thought to be as well as Coffeyville to be the two spots that was to be hit in robbery for the Dalton's. I was wondering who was tipping off the law in my mind over the years of research that I have done on them. Who knows this may have been the guy that did so. Maybe he was afraid to admit it and didn't want to be tied in with the Daltons as well as the James/Youngers???? As the reporter stated someone was lying, Stiles or Emmett, but who?????