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Comment by Terry Boniface (Malpaso) on April 25, 2012 at 12:25pm

I am having a guess, say 1890/95

Comment by Eric James on April 25, 2012 at 12:31pm

AKA The Toe Nail Clipper.

Comment by Buck Grizzly on April 25, 2012 at 12:47pm

I'll give everybody a chance before I post the date written on the photo. To be honest I haven't got a clue if the date on the photo is right or not.

 

Also feel free to explain why you conclude whatever date you choose. More interested in how conclusions are derived more than what the actual date is, if you know what I mean. All the BTK and Wyatt Earp detective work just made me curious, and this photo has some interesting qualities, shall we say. 

 

Definitely a toe nail clipper Eric. lol

Comment by Ralph Bernklow on April 25, 2012 at 1:48pm

I'll guess 1920. The hats look similar to WW1 GI style, the chaps appear to be evolving from "Shotgun style to "Batwing" . The gun looks like an "American Bulldog" I once owned (bought from a real New Mexico cowboy) in the 1950's .

Comment by anthony martin on April 25, 2012 at 6:51pm

  Buck,

     Is that fellow with the pistol the infamous and notorious Doc Scholl,A.K.A. Kid Podiatrist? I'll weigh in with either end of the 19th or first few years of the 20th.The fellow with the suit jacket has a rather short coat and they were about this length between 1898 to 1904-5 or so.Sack coats were also pretty short in the early to mid 1880's but something about the width and length of the lapels looks more like turn of the century than 1880's.The fellow with the bib overalls is interesting-no pockets on the bib front.Bib overalls didn't start getting those pockets until ca.1910 or so.I can't see the shirt fronts well enough to tell if they are slip over shirts or coat shirts that button all the way up the front.The fellow with the gun has a left side hip pocket.Most work pants before the 1890's had either no hip pockets or one on the right side only.

   The Doughboy hat was derived from the Montana peak hat,a very popular  cowboy style between the late 19th century into the 20's.The famous Mountie hat was also derived from the Montana peak.

   Buck-which one is BTK?just kidding!

Comment by Terry Boniface (Malpaso) on April 26, 2012 at 4:44am

Well to add to my guess of the date is i only based my opinion on the the guy wearing the early style chaps in the background

Comment by Buck Grizzly on April 26, 2012 at 6:44am

I thought for sure it was the first few years of the 20th as well. Something about the coveralls and so many shoes if it was indeed actual laborers, and the hats too for some reason give it a post 1900 look (???).

 

 

Those are nice chaps, and they resemble the styles worn between 1885 and the turn of the century. The squared belt, higher waste (of both pairs) with no contour like the rodeo chaps of the late 1890's early 1900's, are very distinct.

 

Hadn't noticed the hip pocket, good eye Anthony. What would you call the high bib the guy 2nd from the left is wearing? A couple people think he is wearing a boiler suit, but it looks (to me anyway) like he has clips at the collar bones for straps, making them look like a set bibs too me?

 

 

 

Comment by Murray A. Gewirtz on April 26, 2012 at 7:10am

I go with Ralph Berknow. It looks to me to be ca. 1920, maybe a bit before. The hats do look like stiffer WWI soldier hats, (and their other cousins: mountie, boy scout, park ranger, modern sheriff, and mall guard hats) as opposed to their softer, more pliable Montana peak cowboy predecessors, and that's probably because that war was a very recent influence. Later in the 20's the hands' hats would probably mimic Tom Mix's Large hats somewhat. Also contributing to my guess of the date are the paucity of mustaches to clean-shaven faces, the use of canvas or denim overalls, as opposed to more traditional cowboy regalia, and the use by the "shooter" of an apparently 20th century double action pistol. That guy is enacting, for the camera, no doubt, what had long been a stereotypical cowboy rite---making the tenderfoot dance---reenforced by the movies. 

Comment by Bob Boze Bell on April 26, 2012 at 10:23am

It has the feel of a 1910-1920 photograph. Could be a tad later, but for some reason I'm feeling 1917 and it's probably the Pancho Villista dude on the right (who's swaying my judgement).

Comment by Buck Grizzly on April 26, 2012 at 10:29am

One thing that looks odd on the gun being used. It appears to be an "American Bulldog" Iver Johnson, as another pointed out, but it looks like it has an extension on the barrel to make it longer?? Anybody else see that line on it?

 

 

There is also another pistol on the ground, short barrel version.

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