Billy the Kid

Comment by Steve McCarty on April 22, 2012 at 12:52pm

Leonard was a jeweler.  He fashioned a little dentist pocket tool kit for Doc that is extant.  Can't recall where I saw it tho. 

Doc was pretty upset when he discovered what Leonard had been doing with some of the Clanton boys...or at least with allies of the Clanton boys.  I can't recall the names of the other guys who were in on the Benson stage robbery....one was King, I think.  Can't recall. Crane, maybe? 

Since Doc was a known friend of Wyatt's, he was suspected as being one of the robbers too.   

Comment by Steve McCarty on April 22, 2012 at 12:57pm

I think I know the same guy, who is a good friend of mine too.  He's a big SOB and that's for sure! LOL. 

Comment by Steve McCarty on April 22, 2012 at 1:03pm

I just can't get around that picture...but I like it.  What's with the turned out pockets?  Had the guys been cleaned out gambling?  It's likely.

Masterson, who didn't like Doc one bit said that an 8th grader could "take him".  However, Doc must have been in pretty good shape when he was in Tombstone, because he kept up with the Earp boys riding in some posses, and those Earps were hard guys.

Doc really began to suffer when he lived in Leadville.  Ten thousand feet and TB just don't go together well.  While the disease would have eventually killed him, the altitude didn't help.

Comment by Steve McCarty on April 22, 2012 at 1:08pm

BTW: Wyatt never did visit Doc while he was ailing in Glenwood Springs and nor was he in a sanitorium.  He had a room in the Glenwood Hotel (now torn down).  He paid a kid, $3 to bring him his meals.  He was pretty sick...duh!  No one knows for sure where he was buried.  Probably under a sidewalk. The last time Wyatt met with Doc was in a hotel lobby in Denver.  Josie mentioned it in her book and I buy her story. 

Comment by Polly Gulley on April 23, 2012 at 8:15am

Steve, the friend of mine that gave me the copies of the counterfeit bills is a good guy. He has had to take a lot of B.S. from people because of his research. I won't say here who he is because he has had enough flack from people. He is simply a good honest person looking for the truth. I respect him and I think it's too bad that a lot of other people don't.

Comment by Steve McCarty on April 23, 2012 at 10:32am

Polly, I don't know for sure if we are talking about the same gent or not.  The fellow who showed me the bogus bill and told me the story was one of the only people who encouraged me when I first starting finding the LCW related tintypes.  I consider him a close friend.  Yes, he has been dumped upon. He warned me what was likely to come my way.  I've been harrassed by experts in the military. I don't care of folks refuse to believe my collection. It's up to them.  Some of them can be pretty crass.  Computer rage is like road rage, immaturity on parade.

Comment by Polly Gulley on April 23, 2012 at 5:02pm

Doc Holliday opened a saloon with a partner in Las Vegas New Mexico in 1879. Jesse James was also reported to stay at the Old Adobe Hotel near Las Vegas New Mexico. Why is it so hard to believe that Billy met these men???  http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/billythekid/jesse.html          http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/doc-holliday-kills-for-t...                                      

Comment by Polly Gulley on April 23, 2012 at 5:16pm

I like the photo that is purported to be Billy, Doc, Jesse, and Charlie. I think it could actually be them. We all know that Billy spent time in Las Vegas. According to the info I found on Doc he also was in Las Vegas for awhile and actually opened his own saloon there. Dr Henry Hoyt and Miguel Otero who was New Mexico governor also claimed to have witnessed Billy and Jesse actually having a meal in the dining room of the Old Adobe Hotel. Maybe they did have their photograph taken together. 

Comment by Steve McCarty on April 23, 2012 at 5:27pm

Oh, I think the kid and James may have met.  James was into train and bank robberies.  Not the kid's MO. Bogus bills? Maybe.  They liked to pass them in Old Mexico.

I think that old adobe hotel still stands on the edge of Las Vegas.

Comment by anthony martin on April 23, 2012 at 11:56pm

  Yes,Polly, one can usually date a photo pretty accurately and I can size up an image looking at it on the internet as well as holding it in my hand.Tell me-could you possibly mistake the dress clothing of 1955 for 1965 or 1975 for that of 1985?Between 1850 and 1880 there was definite evolution in men's clothing.Simply throwing bunches of photographs out there and expecting that they'll  be a talking point without someone indulging in some sound analysis is unrealistic to say the least.The individual whose photo of the group of four  that you've put up here is a corrupted source,a pathological liar who has been booted from a number of sites.His images,while nice photos in their own right all have ridiculous identity  attributions that have created undue confusion and muddied the waters of serious historic research.

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