LONSOME DOVE TRIVIA TIME

[DAVE PONZETTI]

ALL RIGHT YOU  GOOD FER NOTHIN, LOW DOWN, YELLOW BELLIED, LILLY LIVERD, SON OF A MOTHERLESS GOAT !! AND I MEAN THAT IN THE NICEST WAY. LETS GET THIS DISCUSSION STARTED. HOW MANY TIMES DID TOMMY LEE'S /CAPT CALL SAY- "HELL FIRE AGUSTUS"

[Richard A. Morro]

Every time he meant it! Now then its not the time's it happened---brother its the way he said it!! Like; its like Aha; exasperation--yea thats it pure exasperation!! Pure an simple like gash durn only with a little more-bark in it!! 13 times I'd guess! Now that could be wrong--Not sayin I'm ever wrong jest a migh mixed up ever now and then!! You know dust, and eat-tin all of it way back hangin drag! cant hear every thin said! I think!! 

[Tony O'Donnell ( Tyrell )]

If'n yaall count the times he said it to others and when Hell Bitch bit him approx 22.Then again not watched it for three months.

[DAVE PONZETTI]

hey Tony, thanks for the reply. now i gotta go back and watch it again,man i aint gettin anything done around here. oh well can't think of a betterway to spend time on the internet range then hanging out with you folks. lets keep the forum going . here's a challenge . how'd Gus come up with the name Hat Creek Cattle Co ?

[Richard A. Morro]

But seriously though; for my money and thinking! This has to be probably the finest piece of western history played out on the silver screen, its Right up there with John Wayne's Red River, and his adaptation of True Grit! Also I found the Long in time running movie ''Texas'' very well done and quite accurate in scope!

Interesting is the thought that These type of Movie brings in the Historical Movie Goer's money! Where the off the wall type's hardly make it! I hear of producers being reluctant to invest in these movies--But after they are finished and the type of players featured in them strike a note with the movie goers, Thy are very profitable, so where is that fine line--Its in the writing of the script! Gunsmoke for example-over 20 years running and folks never tiring of it! Even today they still bring in big money for the DVDs and of course ''The Virginian'' A True Classic!  Could it be that its the Actors that are-not there any longer? With out these folks there is No Movie to watch or script to read!   

[Richard A. Morro]

Also along the way I was fortunate in picking up a hard cover Copy of a Great Book! Its a Large book like those advertised as being--Coffee Table--type books. Well its a copy of ''LONESOME DOVE'' yep its the full story of its entire filming and story of the folks in it! All done in brown tome printings. It looks like the old type pictures of that era. Its called--Bill Wittliff--A Book of Photographs from Lonesome Dove!-- Forward by Larry McMurtry Introduction by Stephen Harrigan! And yes there is a full page photo of; and you mentioned it---First Ride On The Hell Bitch!-- On the front cover--is Robert Duvall sittin on the porch with his nippin jug along side him leannin forward with that great smile--lookin out over the place!! It shows them all in a group shot, all in there dusty well worm clothing of the day! What A find!! What a Book!! With The Raw On!!   

[DAVE PONZETTI]

I AM GOIMG TO HUNT DOWN A COPY OF THAT BOOK. THANKS FOR PASSING ALONG THE INFO.

[Richard A. Morro]

 

Where did the sign Hat Creek Cattle Co. Come From? I found this explanation in Wikipedia encyclopedia:

The sign for Gus McCrae and Woodrow F. Call's Hat Creek Cattle Company includes a Latin motto, "Uva Uvam Vivendo Varia Fit," which appears to be a reference to a proverb first attributed to Juvenal. The proverb, "Uva Uvam Videndo Varia Fit" is translated as "A grape (uva) other grapes (uvam) seeing (videndo) changes (varia fit)." Some readers think McMurtry's substitution of "vivendo" for "videndo" is an artifice used to underscore Gus's lack of education and unfamiliarity with Latin. But later, when Call asks Gus about the motto, he jumbles it comically, not even pretending to know what it means. Having established that, McMurtry gains nothing by adding a spelling error that only Latin scholars would catch. Likewise, it seems unlikely—as other readers have suggested—that the substitution was simply a typographical error. Although the substitution is ungrammatical, "vivendo" means "living," turning the phrase "A grape changes when it sees other grapes" to "A grape is changed by living with other grapes;" or, since we are not really concerned with grapes after all, to "We are changed by the lives around us." The author's alteration takes on greater significance in light of the larger themes in the narrative that deal with how one leads one's own life and with living itself. These themes are also indicated in the remark made by Gus to Call: "It ain't dyin' I'm talkin' about...it's livin'."

[DAVE PONZETTI]

GREAT PEICE OF RESEARCH. RICH. THANKS FOR THE FOLLOW-UP

[Richard A. Morro]

Dave: I'll do you one better and save you the track down--I found my copy at the University Of Texas Press!

1-800-252-3206. or WWW.UTEXASPRESS.COM

Its a little spendy but well worth the bucks! Some things are not to be measured in dollars! 

Richard--''Dick''--

[Richard A. Morro]

Interesting little side thing--As you know cowboys have a very different way of expressing them selves--folks especially from Texas speak with hand gestures! Have you noticed this, they are very animated in this regard. Well Mr. Duvall found this also to be true, So in order to appear more convincing-he spent time sittin in a bar observing cattle people of Texas. They could be observed in doing this. He practiced this and it added a lot to the character he was playing. And I must add it was that little thing that endured his character to folks! The next time you watch this movie--pay close attention to this. Also he practiced this in future movies he appeared in! Its those little things that make it a classic. in my part of the world we ant quite that animated. But the manor of expression is quite the same! Don't talk much, it takes energy to do so!

[DAVE PONZETTI]

Hey Pard.thank-you for the number and the great inside info on Mr. Duvall's research. have a great weekend, heading uptown Sedona to visit with the tourists. meeting Doc Holiday & Miss. Kate.

[Richard A. Morro]

Now that sounds like a great thing to do! Visit with the Tourists, You know thats interesting, and a great thing to do! folks come draggin in and are lookin for some local color! (As we use to call it!) And the best thing to do is great them, make them feel at home--Its what they drove all that way for. In todays messed up world, with all its unknown! One could stand a good welcome! And what better folks to do this with but the two you mentioned!