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Image Scammer Exposed on YouTube
I did not produce this video but I'd sure like to shake the hand of the guy/gal who did. It focuses on a person who produced a degree of chaos here a while back and was subsequently banned. I see that he's recently reduced the James Family Genealogy Forum on genealogy.com to an advertisement for his misidentified collection just as he tried to do on here. Having studied many other areas of history, I remain amazed at the number of absolute nutbags, besides the normal honest folks, that Jesse James seems to attract. Anyway, it's good to see this particular scammer exposed on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHYBkPyT080
Mel
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Permalink Reply by Carolyn A.S. Holmes on -
I'm not sure what the truth is because the story is so hard to follow and changes all the time. Photos change and events so how do you begin to sort it all out.
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Permalink Reply by Fran Bolton on -
It is not uncommon for a person's version of their family history to change, as they discover primary records that give them proof over the oral version. One takes what is known and works backward to find the unknown.
Grandpa's version was before the databases we have at our fingertips, literally, today can give us the facts as they actually happened.
James L Courtney's recorded family history background, with primary records to back it up, exclude him from any possibility of being Jesse James.
He left an amazingly informative daily diary in addition to his paper trail, beginning from the day he purchased it after moving from MO to in TX in 1871:
http://www.thomaskinkadechico.com/oldsite/jlcdiary.htm
Fran
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Permalink Reply by Carolyn A.S. Holmes on
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Yeah, he was doing twitter before it was ever discovered.
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Permalink Reply by Sally Regina Anderson Goodson on -
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Permalink Reply by Carolyn A.S. Holmes on
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Not the one I saw. Someone drew a mouse~tash on the woman at the end of the video.
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Permalink Reply by Fran Bolton on
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I agree. It is like scrambled eggs, not recognizable as the egg's original form.
Fran
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Permalink Reply by C. F. 'Charley' Eckhardt on
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Jesse & Frank, along with some of the Youngers, did spend time in Texas, but in Dallas County. He visited the Shirley family near the now-ghost town of Scyene. One of the Shirley daughters, Myra Belle, produced a woods colt she claimed Cole Younger fathered. Jesse apparently had an excellent tenor voice, because he sang in the choir of the 1st Baptist Church in Dallas.
I once interviewed a cousin of Myra Belle's, who claimed she met Jesse in FT Smith, Arkansas, in 1921. Of course, the DNA evidence proves this was impossible, but she did apparently meet & talk to a man who knew enough about Jesse James--& her own family as well--to convince both her & her older half-sister that he was Jesse James. You can find the story on-line at TexasEscapes.com. Click on columns, click on Charley Eckhardt's Texas, & scroll down to Miss Shirley's Story.
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Permalink Reply by Carolyn A.S. Holmes on
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They most likely met J Frank Dalton. From my own family lore I have heard that they visited Sherman, Kentucky Town, and Bonham, Texas and attended the wedding of my gggrandfather Joel Leftwich James's daughter's wedding.
I have a distant cousin named Double Jimmy James from Weatherford, Texas that is known to have known the Mo. James Family. My James people are from Mo. and lived in Texas in Grayson, County. Bells, Savoy, Leonard, Whitewright, Sherman, Dennison, Bonham, and Revina. My grandmother Floyd James said that the James boys would come to Sherman and hide in her fathers Josh James's corn field and that they had a signal (Bob White Bird Whistle) that they would use to let the boys know it was safe to come into the house. Joel James was married to Angelina Ryan.
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Permalink Reply by Fran Bolton on
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"And that is not the house in Buttermilk, Texas either."
Compare the recent Ebay photo with Zerelda surrounded by a large group that is described on the photo as "beieved to be a sister to Frank. Tall man seated her left is supposed to be Jesse James"
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&hash=item1e5fb68b...
with this group showing James L Courtney and family members.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jessejames/jlcfam...
Notice James L Courtney's distinctive full face, even at this distance. I believe the group photo with Zerelda location was determined by this, or similar, comment " the porch looks like the one at JLC's homestead"
Fran
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Permalink Reply by Carolyn A.S. Holmes on
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Except with less clutter around the house. Hee heee. Glad to see that Cat got over one grand on the photos. I'd be smiling like a possum too.
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Permalink Reply by Carolyn A.S. Holmes on
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Gay
Happy Sunday
How would one go about finding out what real historians think about the recent ebay fiasco and if the photo would ever be accepted as JLC's family aka James Family?
Also, do you still talk to Linda Snyder. I would love to catch up on some matters with her.
The dog in the photo has now been matched up in the photo as a dog that belonged to JLC. I'm waiting to see the photo shop photo of the two dogs.
~Are you laughing?
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Permalink Reply by Gay Mathis on -
Carol, this "not so rare modern copy" is just not so important anymore.. It has been established it has appeared on countless postcards, etc.. that I provided a link to earlier..The original was taken 1888 in MO to contain Caroline Quantrill & Zerelda Samuel in it..The dog's rump can not help this claimant..One can speak with others and ask what they think..I am sure you can e-mail Linda, as well..
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