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Permalink Reply by Daniel Buck on August 27, 2011 at 2:43pm Jack, mon ami, we're talking about two difference sentences. "Mid-July" does not come from your email. How did I come up with mid-July? By piecing together information from several different people. If you had answered my question in the first place, I would have written, "Jack Stroud told me in an email that on July 24 he provided Pointer with information . . . ."
Dan
Permalink Reply by Juha Nakari on September 12, 2011 at 8:24am
Permalink Reply by Daniel Buck on September 12, 2011 at 8:30am The Wilcox mugshot is image no. 2 in the photo gallery accompanying the 16 August 2011 Deseret News article, here,
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700171369/Butch-Cassidy-imposter...
Dan
Permalink Reply by Juha Nakari on September 17, 2011 at 10:48am Amazing. The ears, jaw-line...like one of those moments when you've only seen that one dead photo of Harvey Logan and then you see the other two.
Two down, one to go: Sundance Kid mugshot no matter how blurry at Belle Fourche.
Permalink Reply by Daniel Buck on September 17, 2011 at 10:55am Not sure I follow. What is amazing? Who are you comparing to Wilcox with?
Dan
Permalink Reply by Juha Nakari on September 18, 2011 at 12:57am
Permalink Reply by Daniel Buck on September 18, 2011 at 6:07am Sorry, I missed that.
Yes, considering the photos were taken a couple decades apart, they do look alike, though keep in mind that the alternative theory is that they were cousins, the offspring of the Mudge sisters, which would account for similarities. Actually, there are perhaps three theories: 1/ two different people, Phillips & Wilcox, who were cousins. 2/ only one person, Wilcox, who used the alias Phillips. 3/ only one person, Phillips, who used the alias Wilcox.
Additional evidence -- e.g., documentary -- would be useful. Relying on photo comparisons can be risky. (Forensic types counsel to look for differences, not similarities.) After all, for more than three decades the Phillips = Cassidy crowd argued that it was obvious by doing photo comparisons that Phillips and Casssidy were the same person. File that one under, "Oops."
Dan
Permalink Reply by Leman Saunders on April 17, 2012 at 12:23am I know this topic has been dead for a while now...but I wanted to comment on it just the same...
Following this is kind of like "Who's on First"...only on two different levels!
On one hand you have to try to follow the Phillips/Cassidy/Wilcox game and then you have the researcher/writer/historian (if anyone is a historian involved in this whole ordeal) game of who found what source, when and where and who believes Phillips (or whatever his name is) to be who and...can I get a study guide style break down of all this, complete with full backgrounds of everyone involved! (tong in cheek)
Permalink Reply by Leman Saunders on April 17, 2012 at 12:29am PS: So when is someone going to make the claim that Phillips was really Jack the Ripper...that's the next step in this right...or that he moved to Grandbury, TX and played poker with Billy the Kid, Jesse James, and John Wilkes Booth who were all in hiding there.
Permalink Reply by C. F. 'Charley' Eckhardt on April 21, 2012 at 9:40am Apparently Booth was in Granbury. He called himself 'John St. Helen.' His closest friend was a lawyer named Finis Bates. 'St. Helen' got sick. The doctor told him there was nothing more he could do, 'St. Helen' was most likely going to die. He called Bates to his bedside & said "My name is not John St. Helen. I am John Wilkes Booth, the assassin of Abraham Lincoln."
For a deathbed statement, legally known as a 'dying declaration,' to be admissible in court, 3 factors must enter. #1, the person making the statement must believe he/she is dying. #2, the statement must be made voluntarily. #3, the person must die within a reasonable period of making the statement. 'St. Helen' believed he was dying. The doctor told him he was going to die. He made the statement voluntarily. However, he recovered.
He left Granbury quietly, without telling his closest friend, Bates, that he was leaving, never returned, & never communicated with Bates again. When Bates went into the room 'St. Helen' occupied in a boarding house, he found a Colt M1866 single-shot pocket pistol. It was wrapped in the front page of a Washington, DC newspaper dated April 15, 1865.
In 1907 an alcoholic house painter who called himself 'David George' died in Oklahoma. On his death bed he claimed to be Booth. Bates went to Oklahoma, believed he recognized the corpse as 'St. Helen,' had it embalmed, & brought it back to Granbury. After his death it was acquired by a carnival operator & was a side-show attraction for many years--"The Mummy of John Wilkes Booth, the Assassin of Abraham Lincoln." An X-ray of the corpse showed 'David George' had a fractured left ankle which had never been properly set.
That 'mummy' was still around in the late '50s, when I paid my dime to see it at a carnival side-show, but it seems to have disappeared since then. Of course, there aren't all that many carnivals with side-shows any more, so it may just be in a warehouse somewhere Or maybe, like Elmer Curdie's body, it may be in a 'house of horrors' at a roadside attraction, or even in a prop-storage warehouse in Hollywood, like Curdie's body was before it was found while a segment of The Six Million Dollar Man was being filmed..
Booth was known to be fond of cryptograms. Napoleon Bonaparte's second island of exile was Ste. Helena. 'John St. Helen' could be a cryptological way of saying 'John the Exile,' for if 'St. Helen' was Booth, he certainly was an exile--from his family, from the theater, from every facet of his former life. Two of Booth's co-conspirators, both of whom were hanged, had the 1st names David & George.
All this & $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee anywhere but Starbuck's.
Permalink Reply by C. F. 'Charley' Eckhardt on April 21, 2012 at 10:13am A little additional about 'St. Helen.' He worked as a bartender but drank only one day out of the year--April 14--when he drank himself into a stupor. He also acted in local amateur theatrics, where he impressed everyone with his commanding stage presence, excellent delivery, & almost encyclopedic familiarity with the plays of Shakespeare.
If, in fact, 'John St. Helen' & 'David George' were the same person, the latter, as a house painter, would certainly have turned to alcohol. Alcoholism was a hazard of the trade for anyone inhaling the fumes from lead-based paint. Those fumes brought on a powerful thirst which water wouldn't quench--but alcohol, particularly beer, would.
Permalink Reply by Margaret-Anne Moore on June 28, 2012 at 10:48pm Thanks for your comments. The whole malarkey of Hiram Whoseitz is still alive and well! I understand that some of Sundance's relatives have jumped on the bandwagon and are now claiming that he was, in fact. Sundance! The whole thing defies logic and common sense. How can someone who was as gorgeous as Billy Zane become incredibly ugly and a twerp at that? I strongly suspect that this whole flim flam may well have originated with Kerry Boren. I remember reading something about your wife's work and research as to what happened in South America and later understood that DNA analysis later showed that the two American bandidos were not Butch and Sundance at all. South America was a haven for fugitives during the outlaw era just as it was for war criminals after World War II.
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